Moviestorm and Blender

[primaveranz]

anyhow I can speak with a LARGE amount of experience with milkshape and fragmotion

You really do talk yourself up don't you?

We have heard how you are world expert on Blender and now Milkshape and FragMo but with absolutely NO evidence of any of these. All we do know for sure is that you can type long posts, frequently in reply to your own ones and that you "LoL" at your own jokes a lot.

And you have the damn cheek to diss probably the most innovative and talented modder on these forums. That has got to be one of the most ignorant things anyone has ever posted on these forums.

No-one forced you to buy any software and casting yourself as "little people" and therefore implying any of us is somehow an evil corporate entity is just pathetic.

Either apologise to Reacher or go away and grow up. You are contributing nothing of any use here.

[urbanlamb]

Urbanlamb,
I understand that you are frustrated, and I'm sorry you weren't able to get your models into MovieStorm.

Modding for Moviestorm, outside the SketchUp importer, can be a challenging prospect. I'm just saying don't keep people from trying by saying "IT CAN'T BE DONE" because you could not do it. They may not have your same version of OS, or be trying to make the same model/animations you were, and you may convince them to walk away without even trying.

Share what didn't work as well as what did, but don't blanket dismiss something.

-- Reacher

I spent 5 weeks making a car for moviestorm 5 WEEKS
it was completely animated in blender and sitting in iclone

what did i get into moviestorm using this broken pipeline of that work that is running in "those other programs"

well i got a butchered truck and no animations
i had to redo some of the animations in milkshape i got the car to turn one direction but not the other and the door to open close
and i got some wheels to turn that took me 5 weeks to get it there

now compare that to the fact that I got the model into "those other softwares" in well the first try and didnt have to run it through milkshape and squint at the ui and the animations were not broken

now lets move onto the frustrations of making animations and having them work well oh and the clothing on the little puppets not cause their arms to fold in half due to weighting issues.

Prima seems to feel that many need to prove themselves and show some kind of walk uphill in the snow barefoot prowess to be worth his salt. Its not true its unfair to lead people on to purchase software to create sub par results


and that is what the are sub par broken results.


5 weeks to import a truck that I spent less then a couple hours making and texturing and importing into iclone? 5 weeks!

I suggest that people save their money and spend it on something more up to date that wont leave them with results they are unhappy with.

@ primavera

i have imported enough into moviestorm to prove my "blender prowess" but am not into killing myself for fun because then it becomes "unfun"

meanwhile

maybe spend some time researching the achievements of the people you feel are not genuine or whatever the issue is here. I am sorry I am new but that does not make it a bad thing. I come without rose coloured glasses and experience in the world of machinima I use opensim and build entire mesh worlds, i use iclone and import using their tools and my newest "exhibition of prowess" since this is what we are into here is building an entire world lock stock and barrel and importing it into muvizu with a lot less issues then it taken me to import a single prop into moviestorm.

I dont wish to discourage anyone but using blender and saying its a viable option to importing things into moviestorm in a timely manner unless someone has managed to create a new cal3d importer for the mod workshop which to my knowledge is not the case is a silly waste of time when you can do it in a matter of minutes and hours in comparison to what took me weeks in moviestorm. All that time saving is out the window if i have to spend more time in the end and have broken results because i am sorry a stick man using stock moviestorm animations is a far cry from something that one would consider usable for making a video unless your into stick men.

If your going to try to use this pipeline do it using misfit dont waste a dime on milkshape which crashes when an fbx file is imported and fragmotion which is more expensive then milkshape which also crashes. (that is unless your using an antique computer or something.. the reality is neither milkshape nor fragmotion are completely compatible with my windows 7 64 bit system ..

now i am off to finish building my muvizu set which i will release the obj files to moviestorm if anyone wants to import them but i am not going to spend 6 months importing them through milkshape retexturing them and sitting manually moving them to the mod workshop if anyone else wants to they are free to do so. I figured that people would enjoy using them here as its all scifi stuff. (but of course since I dont spend my time uploading 10 second mod demos to exhibit my prowess i must theirfor be a liar :/

[urbanlamb]

You really do talk yourself up don't you?

We have heard how you are world expert on Blender and now Milkshape and FragMo but with absolutely NO evidence of any of these. All we do know for sure is that you can type long posts, frequently in reply to your own ones and that you "LoL" at your own jokes a lot.

And you have the damn cheek to diss probably the most innovative and talented modder on these forums. That has got to be one of the most ignorant things anyone has ever posted on these forums.

No-one forced you to buy any software and casting yourself as "little people" and therefore implying any of us is somehow an evil corporate entity is just pathetic.

Either apologise to Reacher or go away and grow up. You are contributing nothing of any use here.

an you are? (maybe stop trolling threads because in reality your thoughts on my abilties and belief that what is presented here is good information I would also suggest you take some of your own advice and grow up i am not the one in threads for no reason other then to insult people you are!)

I gave sound advice which is dont waste your money on those two softwares the results are not reliable and using blender with moviestorm and enjoying the results you get is not a realistic thing. I think i am giving very sound input. DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME TRYING TO GET ITEMS INTO MOVIESTORM USING BLENDER just use misfit the results will be the same . Yes I have a lot of blender experience A LOT and I can safely say and am comfortable saying that using blender with movieistorm is for the most part a huge waste of energy and time

use sketchup and misfit and save yourself the time and frustration and sheer disappointment of using blender and thinking its a good way to bring models into moveistorm in fact primavera it is not and since you can't even use blender you really have nothing to contribute to either side of the argument here whereas at least I have the experience with the software and have first hand knowledge at the lackluster results you will get if you think your going to do "cool stuff" in a reasonable time frame using blender.. think again. use misfit and sketchup and save yourself some hassle!

[urbanlamb]

Like a lamb led to slaughter....sorry, I can't resist a bad pun.

Interesting that you went for the"gnomes" characterization when in fact you should have been looking at the other end of the life form spectrum.

You know, something more akin to "Mod God"

And in light of Reacher's post your use of the word "forumite" appears to be somewhat unfortunate now.

From the Urban Dictionary
Forumite: The forumites of the GameSpy Forums are often plagued by the whining of n00bs.

I can appreciate your frustration at trying to get something to work and being unsuccessful but I think you could have benefited from a touch of hubris and not been so snarky and dismissive of Reacher saying it could be done.

YES and when he does something other then show a stick man i will take my words back but until then it stands blender is probably the worste way to get anything into moviestorm USE MISFIT its free and will give you the same results!

in the meantime since your not actually here other then to insult people and call them "noobs" why just not bother typing next time because quite frankly the elitism in this forum makes us "noobs" roll our eyes and gag. I am not a noob anymore I have spent enough time using this software and have been using blender since 2.49 and use it every proficiently in "those other softwares" to know that people using blender probably are gonna be REALLY upset when they find out just what they end up with after they run their masterpieces through this crazy pipeline and that for the most part their models are mere shadows of their original and former selves

so here is my prowess list

1) 1 telephone with animations sucked balls once i got the remains into moviestorm works great in opensim, unity 3d and now in iclone
2) 1 truck fully animation wheels all doors left and right turns turned into a moviestorm freebie because none of the animations moved from blender to milkshape and I tried to redo them in milkshape my uber truck of doom got broken to bits in moviestorm but there it proudly sits in opensim, unity 3d and now iclone
3) 1 chicken well by the time I got to the chicken I knew better and jsut didnt bother it is however clucking away in "those other softwares" and will likely make a muvizu debut as well
4) a house with a freestanding animated door which exists in moviestorm but that I never gave out as a freebie and there is proudly sits in opensim and blah blah blah blah blah ( there is only one.. and i made it..)
5) driving animations 3 sets in the gesture menu which well unfortunately resulted in my poor puppets being unable to wear anything with sleeves because they arms snapped in half .. but it was a hilarious result which led me to my final and most epic moviestorm achievement and an epic blockbuster video of craziness and the not so famous and final

drumroll
....6) crazy ass moviestorm yoga animations from hell my last and final moviestorm triumph which were probably my most successful mods which were made as a result of me being totally frustrated with moviestorm but actually turned into a win as I created my animated masterpiece "yoga with sven or get up you lazy santa" the critically aclaimed 5 star santa buster! I hid this animation set under my bed lest the world lock me up in a rubber room!

:/

[primaveranz]

Hmm..let's see what we have here....

"maybe spend some time researching the achievements of the people you feel are not genuine or whatever the issue is here."

Like you did before you implied Reacher was useless?

"I dont wish to discourage anyone"

You have a funny way of showing it.

"Prima seems to feel that many need to prove themselves and show some kind of walk uphill in the snow barefoot prowess to be worth his salt."

What Prima actually feels is that people need to prove themselves before they can criticise the skills of much more competent users.

"an you are? (maybe stop trolling threads because in reality your thoughts on my abilties and belief that what is presented here is good information I would also suggest you take some of your own advice and grow up i am not the one in threads for no reason other then to insult people you are!)"

Mea culpa! I must admit that I find certain people tedious in the extreme.
These include the complainers who don't offer any alternative solutions, people who constantly harp on about their imaginary achievements, people who keep declaring "I am leaving!" but never do (because they realise no-one cares), and people who say things can't be done because they themselves don't now how.

"maybe spend some time researching the achievements of the people you feel are not genuine .."

I guess _YOU_ haven't researched the hundreds of helpful tips I have given over the years; many to what you denigrate as "Noobs"? No? But then you have shown that you are not a great one for "the facts".

So to summarize, you have contributed another barrage of long rambling, desperately self-justifying posts. But at least there has been a huge reduction in the number of "LoLs", so I guess we are seeing some progress.

And, all your attempted diversions aside, you still owe Reacher an apology.

[urbanlamb]

Hmm..let's see what we have here....

"maybe spend some time researching the achievements of the people you feel are not genuine or whatever the issue is here."

Like you did before you implied Reacher was useless?

"I dont wish to discourage anyone"

You have a funny way of showing it.

"Prima seems to feel that many need to prove themselves and show some kind of walk uphill in the snow barefoot prowess to be worth his salt."

What Prima actually feels is that people need to prove themselves before they can criticise the skills of much more competent users.

"an you are? (maybe stop trolling threads because in reality your thoughts on my abilties and belief that what is presented here is good information I would also suggest you take some of your own advice and grow up i am not the one in threads for no reason other then to insult people you are!)"

Mea culpa! I must admit that I find certain people tedious in the extreme.
These include the complainers who don't offer any alternative solutions, people who constantly harp on about their imaginary achievements, people who keep declaring "I am leaving!" but never do (because they realise no-one cares), and people who say things can't be done because they themselves don't now how.

"maybe spend some time researching the achievements of the people you feel are not genuine .."

I guess _YOU_ haven't researched the hundreds of helpful tips I have given over the years; many to what you denigrate as "Noobs"? No? But then you have shown that you are not a great one for "the facts".

So to summarize, you have contributed another barrage of long rambling, desperately self-justifying posts. But at least there has been a huge reduction in the number of "LoLs", so I guess we are seeing some progress.

And, all your attempted diversions aside, you still owe Reacher an apology.

I'M done playing your game prima I am the one the average user who if i see people being given the impression that using blender with moviestorm is a widely used viable option for creating quality models and animations on a regular basis I am the one person that has the guts to say "no this is not true its inefficient on time and there are much easier more effective ways to use moviestorm then this method" that is who i am.

I am the realist now you can continue to lead people to believe what you want but rest asured there is one person on this forum who if they are around to notice it will attempt to give the honest answer. That is who i am a "regular user" who has been through all the information on this forum and is quite aware what is a and what is not.

Now you can go bother some other user. I will now be putting you on ignore for the troll you are.

thanks for your "input"

have a nice day

[Nahton]

Hey Prima, what about me? Don't I deserve and apology too? Actually, I don't care if I get one because I will engage when attacked and Reacher is more of a gentleman.

Apparently I spend my time between kicking puppies and pulling the wings off of flies by flaming noobs.

Let me clarify urbanlamb...I wasn't calling you a noob. I didn't think that in the least. I actually checked out some of your Youtube clips when you first arrived on the scene and before you attacked Reacher. I was just quoting what I found on the Urban Dictionary when I went there to look up forumite, a word which you used and I hadn't heard before. I apologize if you thought I called you a noob, the whining reference was the more pertinent part of the quote. I think I've changed my mind about that too. You've gone beyond whining and he pretty much advanced to flaming everyone now, which is ironic because that is what you claim everyone else is doing to you. I guess you are just projecting. And if you are going to make any accusations then you'd best back them up with "FACTS" and show instances where I've gone about attacking noobs or even using the term directly to reference anyone other than myself.

I can't stand it when people just make stuff up. I guess I shouldn't be surprised as you basically just responded to a post I made over 2 weeks ago for THE SECOND TIME :

http://www.moviestorm.co.uk/forums/index.p...ost&p=92047
(Note the "hubris" reference)

What's going on here? Did some kind of latent necro-flaming reflex kick in? I'm getting the idea that you just might be some sort of "Attention Strumpet" who has a habit of imploding and running herself of of various boards.

I'm sorry if you don't think I contribute anything to these forums but I'm afraid I won't hold myself to your standard. I'll let others make their own judgement on that matter and then evaluate your comments in respect to that.

Feel free to write another rant if you just have to have the last word. Or reply to my other post again if you want. Or go away for a month and come back and reply to it. Just stay away from making unfounded accusations.

Oh, one more thing. Apologize to Reacher. You were wrong and he proved it. He need not waste any more time on you.

PS - Ignore me too...please....please....please.

[primaveranz]

I'M done playing your game prima

Well since the rules required rationality and the ability to admit you were wrong, you never stood a chance anyway.

[iceaxe]

Hey Prima, what about me? Don't I deserve and apology too?

Whoah! I've no idea what this hysterical rant is all about (you lost me at "my dad's bigger than your dad") but if anyone is giving out apologies then I'd like one too, please!

[primaveranz]

Whoah! I've no idea what this hysterical rant is all about (you lost me at "my dad's bigger than your dad") but if anyone is giving out apologies then I'd like one too, please!

Oops! Sorry we disturbed you IceAxe.
How's the Beach Volleyball going?

[iceaxe]

Oops! Sorry we disturbed you IceAxe.

Don't worry, I was already disturbed

How's the Beach Volleyball going?

[Nahton]

Um yeah... clarification....I wasn't asking Prima to apoligize... I just figured while he was asking for one for Reacher he could of asked for one for me too. But I guess it kind of did read that way.

[primaveranz]

Um yeah... clarification....I wasn't asking Prima to apoligize... I just figured while he was asking for one for Reacher he could of asked for one for me too. But I guess it kind of did read that way.

Nah, I knew what you meant Nahton. But I also knew you are a street fightin' man

[corthew]

If anyone is interested it looks like there is work being done on blender to cal3d conversions:

http://www.blender.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20213

Urbanlamb and others, hopefully this is a positive thing.

[urbanlamb]

If anyone is interested it looks like there is work being done on blender to cal3d conversions:

http://www.blender.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20213

Urbanlamb and others, hopefully this is a positive thing.

dunno think i tried that one and it was a mess blender is a whole new beast now we are on 2.63 and most of the older exporters dont work. I have just kind of given up and hope that 2.0 is more friendly to modern up to date convenstions and deals with files that are common. I might eventually move back to 3dsmax and purchase my own copy but I wanted to use blender exclusively because its a very good free product and I have been using it so long now and most companies have adopted it and taken it into consideration so its not a big deal. Moviestorm is the "last hold out" to catch up so I will just wait and see and use what stock stuff there is in moviestorm if I see a need.

I even donate money to the blender cause that is how much I believe in it and really it has managed to fit in with everything but moviestorm. I saw they released their ipad thingy ipod whatever those things are called (not an i anything user so no clue which is which) if my memory serves me they were building that i whatever on the unity backbone meaning it already has the potential to catch up to the rest of the 3D world. If they migrate that all over to moviestorm 2.0 it would be a godsend. I love my machinima and have been known to spend ooldes of money on toys to make my machinima more "uber" however at the moment since blender works with everything else out there I am holding off on spending 3k just to be able to build like I can for the others. I want to see this project catch up to the rest so I am patiently waiting to see if it does so that I can give them my money

Farabi

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:39 am
Joined: 24 Sep 2005
Posts: 4
Hi I was just testing it on Blender 2.60 since blender 2.58 yiedl an error code and I cant click the Cal3D button on the user preference options.

Im experimenting with the base rotation and it seems the default bone rotation was wrong, so the animation is weird. I hope you can fix it on the newest blender version so I can use this.

Anyway, this is a great effort even it still yield a wrong output. Keep up the good work.
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Farabi

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:08 pm
Joined: 24 Sep 2005
Posts: 4
Hi, I get the XML version working on 2.61 version, but when I loaded it using the cal3D dll library, it was slow as hell. Very slow even for a simple animation, I hope you can make the binary version worked.

Thanks for your effort,
Onan Farabi
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let see if he brings the cal exporter up to date

[bongoman]

I just use Blender 2.49 for misc stuff, including making use of Reachers Excellent Cal3D exporter. I have 4 different versions installed - 2.49, 2.51, 2.63 standard, Fried Chicken branch and the Demolition SVN. Why not? Oops, 5.

Blender works great for me for Moviestorm stuff. Reacher's work is rock solid, and he's always backed up what he says. Definitely a "Mod God". I couldn't do any of this without his exporters.

Animations though... Blender is free, and amazing. How can I complain about it when it does so many other things really well, and for free?