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#1 ArikVonNerd

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Posted 09 May 2017 - 03:08 PM

Does anybody done a full movie? 60 minutes and up? Of course with MovieStorm? What do I need to know?



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Posted 09 May 2017 - 08:28 PM

First I would make some short films to experiment and learn your way around the program. By short I mean one or two min in length.

 

1.) Make sure the story is really tight, plausible in your movie world. A good script is the foundation. (If you're more interested in learning story telling, then take my class in the education forum.)  http://www.moviestor...showtopic=13153

 

2.) Build your sets. In doing this you will understand what you need prop wise and you'll learn the many tools available to you in MS.

 

3.) Choose your characters and get as close as you can to the story world for their dress and look

 

4.) Record your audio track. Make sure your dialog is on separate tracks, as the puppets mouths are self actuated when audio is present. So, for instance, if music is present in the same vocal track, the music will cause the mouths to move. You don't want cross talk in the same vocal track. If we're looking at one character while the other is talking, he or she will be talking and it will confuse the audience

 

5.) Experiment experiment experiment... And experiment some more... on facial expressions... postures, gestures... Get this down. 

 

6.) Experiment with lighting your set.

 

7.) Learn the camera... watch tutorials on cinematic moves it helps keep the audience interested.

 

8.) Edit... as you learn how the puppets move... Learn how to edit around the animation. there are some gestures that are clumsy and awkward. If you cut around these properly, MS will give you a nice film.

 

9.) Watch the tutorials, read the forum posts!  Many skilled film makers have used this program and have left a legacy of helpful posts.

 

10.)  Give yourself about a year to do this project. If you're going to spend time on a mini feature then take the time to make it watchable.

 

Welcome to  moviestorm, and good luck!

 

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Posted 10 May 2017 - 05:04 AM

Steve, Thanks!

 

I have few short movies. you'll find those on moviestorm - the F series.

 

Any ideas on the visualization of talk. 

 

My character speaks a lot. 

And I wonder about making it interesting.



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Posted 10 May 2017 - 06:09 PM

 

1.) Make sure the story is really tight, plausible in your movie world. A good script is the foundation. (If you're more interested in learning story telling, then take my class in the education forum.)  http://www.moviestor...showtopic=13153

 

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Amen.

 

Steve, thank you for such a compilation of wise advices for both beginners and experienced producers.

 

IMHO, I'd try something a bit less ambitious. I'd say a 10-20 minute movie with a story compelling enough to capture the watcher's attention is already a real accomplishment.


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Posted 11 May 2017 - 05:12 AM

I second Jam's advice!

 

 

About making the mouth actuation more interesting. There is a truthful adage in visual story telling. It is is this, "Show, do not tell" or "Show us, don't tell us". Talking gets boring... generally if there is a lot of talking, there is very little action. This is NOT interesting. What is being said, may be interesting to you, it may even be cathartic. But for an audience, this will wear very thin in the first two minuets. I have a whole section on visual story telling in the forum...

 

The mouth actuation can be controlled to a degree. How the mouths pronounce the words with varying intensity of movement. I would minimize this... You'll need to experiment. But not even pop anime characters aren't accurately mouthing the words. . If the story is compelling, people wont think to much about that. Just tell a compelling story.

 


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Posted 11 May 2017 - 03:38 PM

Thanks.

 

You never know - if you have a good story at hand.

 

What I consider good - might be bad for you or vice versa.

 

I agree that the movie - should be a movie and not a book.

 

I agree with the "show". 

 

Are there more ideas of "show"?

 

Thanks for the feedback.



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Posted 11 May 2017 - 04:57 PM

Thanks.

 

You never know - if you have a good story at hand.

 

What I consider good - might be bad for you or vice versa.

 

Agreed: what's interesting for you may be irrelevant to a casual watcher, and the other way around. But unless you've got a really good, solid, coherent, alluring story and know how to tell it in a really good, solid, coherent, alluring way, no one will be delighted and wishing to spend her precious time with your magnificent story.

 

Anyway, most of us are here for one reason: we love making movies and telling stories and having fun in the process. Now, if your main goal is being unanimously acclaimed and gaining universal recognition, you'll become dispirited rather soonish.


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Posted 12 May 2017 - 04:34 PM

IIRC, there was a full length movie called 2020 A.D. by E. Hughes. It ran about 70 minutes. Used to be sold on DVD via Amazon but isn't anymore. It was also the first commercial video done in Moviestorm.

The IMDB page for the video is at http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1650815/ .

The animator of 2020 ad, E Hughes has a site at http://ehughesbooks.com/ . I've seen movies done in Moviestorm which were almost 30 minutes.

Cause of limitations and memory, to do a full length movie, you would probably have to do one scene then render and do the same for other scenes, then use a video editor to piece the scenes together.

I've done some short comedy skits, based around a dysfunctional boyfriend and girlfriend, Mitch & Ellie, 2 characters that I created 2 years ago. Sometimes their neighbor, Rob The Zombie appears in their skits.

Edited by EugeneE, 12 May 2017 - 04:39 PM.


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Posted 13 May 2017 - 05:01 PM

Thanks.

 

Yes. I'll render each scene and then edit them all together.

 

Well, I am going to try to do it.

 

I have written the script. I think I know what I want to tell. I think I have the premise.

 

"Just do it".

 

 

 

 



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Posted 13 May 2017 - 05:15 PM

The longest video that I did was 5 minutes and 27 seconds. It was called I Love You To Death. Each scene was done individually, rendered individually and then pieced together using a video editor. My short skits that I've done this year were edited using Avidemux, on Windows 10,  to remove parts of the videos which aren't needed. The I Love You To Death and my short skits from 2 years ago were edited using OpenShot, on Linux, when I used to dual-boot my comp.

 

Replaced my motherboard to an Asus M5A99FX Pro 2.0 last year, Linux is harder to get running on this mobo, so I only have Windows 10 right now.

 


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Posted 13 May 2017 - 06:26 PM

A couple my old efforts that ran over seven and a half minutes. https://youtu.be/H66xAOWty9k and https://youtu.be/vOSj9hjHrU0 The second animation was made as one continuous shot. Enjoy.



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Posted 13 May 2017 - 06:39 PM

https://youtu.be/vOSj9hjHrU0 This link works for the second animation "Playtime".



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Posted 26 May 2017 - 01:55 PM

Some more information on show not tell, this link is in the education forum in a series I taught on story telling:

 

Visual story telling:

 

http://www.moviestor...showtopic=13231

 

 

Cheers!


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Posted 07 June 2017 - 08:15 AM

Well.... I started.

I have made a list of the scenes to film and have about 40.

So my table includes the: "Scene Description", "Scene Settings", "Status".

Then I started from scenes that use the same settings.

It is a tough job.....

 

Hold your fingers for me.

 



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Posted 06 July 2017 - 08:09 AM

Well... Done.... but not finished - :)

I have posted the Promo and if you are interested in watching the movie, email me to: Arik@AriksWorld.com to get the link.
It is on YouTube with the "UnListed" feature.

I wish to thank everyone for their help and support.
Thank you!

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Posted 05 August 2017 - 06:34 AM

Hi Arik, do you have any screenshots of your movie to post?

#17 shilowww

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Posted 08 August 2017 - 09:32 AM

Look for a suitable website for movies, ready to advise you happy frolicking kittens

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Posted 27 September 2017 - 10:46 PM

The length of a movie you create depends entirely on what you want to do.
The longest one I ever made with Moviestorm went for about 54mins...  Took me months to create..
and then when it's all finished and uploaded... It's next to impossible to get more than 10 or so views as people just wont/dont want to sit through a MS movie that long...  Well that's what I found....
Probably best breaking it up into 'parts' or a series...,
lasting 15 - 20 mins or so. Much better chance of an interested and connected audience then.

 

Good Luck with it all!



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Posted 28 September 2017 - 04:48 PM

Probably best breaking it up into 'parts' or a series...,
lasting 15 - 20 mins or so. Much better chance of an interested and connected audience then.

 

I'll take note of this - think it's a very wise advice.

 

Working hard to get your much beloved short-of-an-hour movie finished and then getting just a bunch of visits and/or comments must be a stark dispiriting experience.

 

 

 


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