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#1 mrkip2001

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Posted 26 March 2010 - 08:44 PM

Okay,

I know I'm still sort of a newbie and my opinion doesn't really carries any weigh but I have to speak out about the direction Moviestorm is taking.

As a film maker prior to being introduce to Moviestorm I know what type of packs would be more universal to the moviestorm community . . . and I'm sorry to say . . . AFTER DARK IS NOT IT!!!!

I must say I think this really seems like just a money making ploy on the behalf of the developers . . . I mean who even asked for this pack? I see a lot of people talking about action packs, the ability to have the puppets drive cars, to change puppets appearances, and add children puppets.

I mean is moviestorm . . . even paying attention to their core group. I know there's some ppl here that think of this as a hobby; but I for one am not one of these people.

I am working on a series that is gaining a lot of attention both in my hometown (Jax,FL) and in L.A. California; and we've only released the pilot.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Moviestorm,
stay true to your core . . . real creators using your products to create amazing films.

And I promise you, we will take you and the moviestorm brand - further than a pack of naked puppets could even imagine.

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Posted 26 March 2010 - 09:22 PM

I have also expressed concern with the direction that MS sometimes takes with it's content packs. For me, things like Music Video, Bedroom Blog, Song Contest, and the like, are the sort of content that strays from the core Movie Making group. Unfortunately, the developers do need to expand beyond this core if they ever wish to have enough customers to stay afloat.

As to After Dark...

Somewhere around here is a 10+ page thread requesting just such a pack and I'm more than certain that there have been quite a few private requests for content that allows for something more intimate than hand holding.

I don't think that one pack constitutes a "direction" and I'm uncertain exactly how this could be seen as a money making ploy. At this point I'd think that the majority of MS's users are subscribers, simply because it's ridiculous not to be, and the pack is so cheap that one month's worth of points more than covers it.

I don't actually have the pack, but, nothing in the description of it's animations offends me or even seems like something I'd use (where's the Missionary Intertwined Arms and Legs animation?) but the nude models can be used in a variety of non-sexual ways just as nudity can be used tastefully in films. If you need to show a character in the shower, whether they are trying to sober up or have just woken up from 25 years in cryo-sleep, should they be wearing underwear?

It does open up the possibilities for more pornography style films but surely those who would use adult content to create a Mature film shouldn't be hindered from doing so just because others will use the same content to create Pornographic Films, should they?

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Posted 26 March 2010 - 10:14 PM

QUOTE (mrkip2001 @ Mar 26 2010, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am working on a series that is gaining a lot of attention both in my hometown (Jax,FL) and in L.A. California; and we've only released the pilot.

California eh ... did you know 90% of all legally distributed pornographic films made in the United States are either filmed in or produced by studios based in the San Fernando Valley, California ? wink.gif

QUOTE (mrkip2001 @ Mar 26 2010, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Moviestorm,
stay true to your core . . .

I thought the 'core' goal of Moviestorm was to create compelling movies. Which is kind of hard to if the only 'intimate' options your characters have are strictly the PG-variety. Or do you think PG-only options accurately reflect 'reality' ?

Short Fuze / MovieStorm should be LAUDED for treating their users like intelligent adults, and making the pack available !!!

The fact it's been done on the 'down low' (unless they've only just added it, and are planning to make the announcement shortly ?) without a mention in any of the official blogs, announcements thread on the forum, or inclusion in 'Get More Content Packs' part of Launcher DOES add a slightly 'seedy' air to the pack which it probably doesn't deserve, but at the same time one can see why they're not promoting it with the same zeal as other releases, given the stated core demographic of the software.

It's a very tricky tight-rope they're walking with this one, so should be congratulated for making the right decision and releasing the pack. That being said ... hey let's be honest ... I for one probably WILL use it to make at least one dodgey porn-film, in addition to using it for more 'worthy' purposes smile.gif Doesn't mean it's not going to be 'artistic' necessarily, or I should be prevented from doing so. I'm 33 years old ... I think I can decide for myself if I make a Machinima stick-flick ...

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Posted 26 March 2010 - 10:25 PM

Didn't even know this pack came out.

But I agree that the nudity is definitely a usable asset to film making.

And sometimes there is a legitimate reason to have a love making scene in a movie. Take for instance The Reader. The whole point of the sex scenes in that movie were to depict the relationship the two main protagonists were having with one another. It was necessary and not in bad taste...

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Posted 26 March 2010 - 10:49 PM

Must admit, I was curious when I first saw this pack this morning. I checked it out and nearly choked on my tea when I saw the animations....lol!

I am guessing this was a male inspired pack? Limited female input re: animation development? Some more basic moves would be good too....lol! Could be highly saleable maybe, the films made?

I agree, nudity is beautiful when tastefully captured... so is making love... but I would be a little concerned about the potential abuse with this one. On the other hand, people might come flocking to the door and make fantastic movies wink.gif

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#6 D.L. Watson

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Posted 26 March 2010 - 11:14 PM

I'll throw my worthless two cents in.

I think the pack is a fantastic move by Moviestorm. I think they have done a great job keeping the announcement of it discreet - it keeps it from becoming the ONLY REASON why people sign up to use Moviestorm. We don't want a whole truck load of storm-porn (I should trademark that. lol). However, at the same time, its also the first real user requested content they have released ever (or at least since I've been a member).

Angri is right, somewhere on the forums is a thread of someone requesting these animations. Some agreed, some did not. But here is the bottom line:

These animations broaden (not limit) what filmmakers can do with Moviestorm. And no matter how you look at it, is a good thing on Moviestorm's part.

While yes, it would be nice for a Office Pack, or possibly a new scifi pack, or whatever; they have created this content pack to help filmmakers.

Example: I'm sure Chat Noir Studio's film "Death in Venice" certainly could have used something from this pack when filming the love scene in it. Instead, at that time, they had to do use a work around (or so I believe).

Regardless, in the right hands, yes - it can be something useful for filmmakers. In the hands of immature teenagers, well...we'll have to wait and see.

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Posted 26 March 2010 - 11:55 PM

I know if I use any of those animations and of course I got the pack, in movies they won't be for the general public but only for people I know who are of legal age Anyway as long as people are posting about this, can someone do a furry skin for the nude figure and a tail for the werewolf so I can do some "furry" movies for my friends who are into fantasy Sci Fi?

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 12:45 AM

I think this is a good pack, I have a scene in my film that was needing this animation (now have to re do it with this but worth it) Its not Storm Porn and nor is it graphic but used in the right way can be used for films 15+(uk ratings)

Yes I'm sure that with this pack we will start to see alot more "adult" films made with it but thats life, sex sells so why not cash in on it?

Very good pack and look forward to using it tomorrow morning after work.

Think they could have emailed us and told us about it though as if it was not for this post I would not have known about it lol

One thing that having a "Mature" section has me thinking about is maybe they could have more gorey packs like people getting stabbed the like, I know you can do alot with the packs we have but there is always room for more. The more directions MS goes the better we as film makers can compete with live action films so im all for it.
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Posted 27 March 2010 - 12:56 AM

How many times have you wanted to do a scene where a character was, say, taking a shower, and you couldn't because there wasn't any nude skins? Now you have it.

Suppose you wanted to do a love scene a little more involved then what the bed animation in domestic drama offers. Now you can.

Suppose you wanted to make a porn? Got it covered.

There is a lot of potential artistically with this pack, and it gives you new freedom even if you completely disregard the sexual animations.

If you don't like it, or don't approve, then you certainly don't have to buy it, use it, or watch any movies that do use it. That's your choice. But if people want to make use of it, at least now they have a choice.

As far as the animations go, I think it could use more. How about the standard missionary position? Girl on top? Oral sex for the lady? How about a circumcised penis? How about being able to do all of these in the most common place in the world (on the bed)?

The biggest thing that gives me a smirk with this pack is the morphs. it suggests a future when we can morph other things on their body for different body shapes. Maybe this is a preview of things to come.

But......those poor MS characters. They can have sex, but they can't watch it on the internet. Can we finally have computer use animations now? lol

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 12:58 AM

I think this is a great pack and it will be a great asset for many filmmakers out there, including us. I also agree with the previous poster that Moviestorm should be lauded for treating us like adults, and also for taking a risk with this content.

Of course it is meant to be used by adults, and inappropriate content for minors will be labeled accordingly. Right? smile.gif

We'll probably see pointless and immature use of it. But I am also confident we will see many movies that use this content to create just plain better movies than they would be without it.

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 01:01 AM

Actually I had found nude skins of MS and I've had them for awhile... but they weren't anatomically correct (male wise that is)

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 01:37 AM

I think this was a great move from Moviestorm's part.

On the other hand, I am a little bit disconcerted, not because of the sexual nature of the content, but the composition of it that could be viewed as being sexist. I hope I am wrong.

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#13 mrkip2001

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 02:01 AM

QUOTE (mrkip2001 @ Mar 26 2010, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Okay,

I know I'm still sort of a newbie and my opinion doesn't really carries any weigh but I have to speak out about the direction Moviestorm is taking.

As a film maker prior to being introduce to Moviestorm I know what type of packs would be more universal to the moviestorm community . . . and I'm sorry to say . . . AFTER DARK IS NOT IT!!!!

I must say I think this really seems like just a money making ploy on the behalf of the developers . . . I mean who even asked for this pack? I see a lot of people talking about action packs, the ability to have the puppets drive cars, to change puppets appearances, and add children puppets.

I mean is moviestorm . . . even paying attention to their core group. I know there's some ppl here that think of this as a hobby; but I for one am not one of these people.

I am working on a series that is gaining a lot of attention both in my hometown (Jax,FL) and in L.A. California; and we've only released the pilot.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Moviestorm,
stay true to your core . . . real creators using your products to create amazing films.

And I promise you, we will take you and the moviestorm brand - further than a pack of naked puppets could even imagine.

Just me venting,
mrkip2001


Now I have used both Lion's Head "The Movies", and "The Sims 2" programs and they both were able to allow you to show a intimate scene without being so graphic.

Let's all be 'ADULTS' about this . . . how many "non-porn" movies have you seen showing the doggie style or a woman giving a man oral sex?

And for the record I'm not saying the developers are wrong for this pack . . . I'm just stating that I think it would have been more appreciated if they'd released a pack that was better suited to be used in all types of movies.

I mean I've seen several films on Moviestorm, (non with a sexual/intimate scene) and they all were great.
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Is the pack necessary and a good pack . . . YES INDEED.
Would it have been more beneficial to release a action pack - or a driving pack, or a mysterious pack, or a children pack, or a computer animation pack, or a second story pack, or a custom character pack, . . . . . . .


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Posted 27 March 2010 - 02:02 AM

Where can I find this pack?

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 02:13 AM

QUOTE (mcornetto @ Mar 27 2010, 02:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Where can I find this pack?



Just go to the Marketplace and you will see it among the new packs.

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 02:15 AM

QUOTE (mrkip2001 @ Mar 26 2010, 06:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Now I have used both Lion's Head "The Movies", and "The Sims 2" programs and they both were able to allow you to show a intimate scene without being so graphic.

Let's all be 'ADULTS' about this . . . how many "non-porn" movies have you seen showing the doggie style or a woman giving a man oral sex?

And for the record I'm not saying the developers are wrong for this pack . . . I'm just stating that I think it would have been more appreciated if they'd released a pack that was better suited to be used in all types of movies.

I mean I've seen several films on Moviestorm, (non with a sexual/intimate scene) and they all were great.
[Don't believe me - Check out CLOUD ANGEL]

Is the pack necessary and a good pack . . . YES INDEED.
Would it have been more beneficial to release a action pack - or a driving pack, or a mysterious pack, or a children pack, or a computer animation pack, or a second story pack, or a custom character pack, . . . . . . .



That is true. It is stated by the MPAA that any graphic depiction of oral sex would result in a NC-17 rating. Also any other sexual positions other than missionary can result in a NC-17 rating.

So yeah I see your point.

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 02:21 AM

You have to specify your age in your profile in order to even see the pack exists.

I think this is great. It opens up a ton of films for me that I would otherwise have had difficulty making. For The Dark, I had to pass on a script because it contained doggy style sex and it was essential to the story. Now, I find I could have made that one after all.

I think this is a positive step forward. Well done, Moviestorm!

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 03:19 AM

I think this pack discriminates against people who don't have sex partners. How about some animations for those that may have to go it alone....if you know what I mean.

OK, I'm kidding to a degree but I'm always thinking of comic potential and I have a couple of scenarios where that type of animation might be useful. Also, even a benign animation of a guy with his hand in front of his groin without any movement could be used for bathroom urinal scenes. And who doesn't want to add one of those into their movie?

Lastly, as others have pointed out this pack does seem a little skewed and from a male mindset. I hope it doesn't mean we're going to have to pay for another pack down the line called "Women on Top" or something to that effect. Although, just think of the potential. Naked Cowgirl anyone?



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Posted 27 March 2010 - 03:46 AM

Thanks for this, Moviestorm guys.

I think it is great that we are back on track with adult, human, real-life animations and scenarios that make movies come to life.

Why wouldn't we want all options possible? And why would we want restrictions on "adult" content? After all, when art is restricted it suffers and dies.

But you know what this means. Hanky-panky eventually leads to children being born. We will be waiting.



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Posted 27 March 2010 - 04:12 AM

QUOTE (supermep @ Mar 26 2010, 07:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually I had found nude skins of MS and I've had them for awhile... but they weren't anatomically correct (male wise that is)


I had those two, but I believe they were just recolors of the male and female underwear. It had the basics, like skin tone and nipples, but you could still see the texture map on it, so it wasn't very convincing.


QUOTE (mrkip2001 @ Mar 26 2010, 08:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is the pack necessary and a good pack . . . YES INDEED.
Would it have been more beneficial to release a action pack - or a driving pack, or a mysterious pack, or a children pack, or a computer animation pack, or a second story pack, or a custom character pack, . . . . . . .


I think everyone can think of a list of things they would have liked to see before this (except mcornetto, who would've liked it sooner wink.gif ), but this was something that was on request, and there had been other comments in the past about the lack of nude skins. Most requests, if the team thinks it's doable, go onto a list, and then they prioritize what to do next based on different factors. I think MS chose this one because it took the product potential in another direction and offered wide versatility.

The other stuff will come, and a lot sooner if modders can eventually create their own animations and characters.



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