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#21 sfdex

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 05:32 AM

I'm joining the chorus of "well done." While the animations are pretty graphic, they don't have to be used. There are a number of movies I've seen here on Moviestorm that would have benefited from these properly textured (and in the case of the males, modeled) nude characters.

Thanks, Moviestorm, for continuing to provide us with great material to make our movies with. I'm looking forward to what you have in store for us next.

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#22 Chris Ollis

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 07:51 AM

Thanks for the great feedback guys and girls.

We knew this would be a controversial move when we started sketching it out, which is partly why this is such a small pack.

Now we know that there is definite demand and appreciation for the direction we will consider doing a follow up, which at the very least will provide more female animations.


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#23 kkffoo

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 08:50 AM

I think this pack suffers more than most from the lack of a female viewpoint, there's an icky feel to it which doesn't fit with the rest of the product.
Sex on the furniture...I'm not an expert...but isn't that more porn than drama?
As for more female animations, not 'when is it my turn for oral sex', it is more where's the interaction between the characters? Some tenderness and romance, eye contact.
Come on guys, you're not fourteen and neither are most of your customers, expect more than the lowest common denominator.
Why should regular movie makers have to work round unsuitable animations? Let the frickin porn creators work round us instead, I'm sure they have more time on their hands.

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 11:35 AM

QUOTE (kkffoo @ Mar 27 2010, 07:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think this pack suffers more than most from the lack of a female viewpoint

I agree with kkffoo here that MS needs more female input in all areas.

I realise that the main demographic for computer games is males under 30 (or whatever) but MS isn't a computer game - it is a creative tool and there is no difference between the capabilities of males and females in storytelling or movie-making* (as Hollywood has belatedly just acknowledged). I would not at all be surprised if more females than males have been attracted to MS via the push on Facebook etc. So you really need to get more women on your staff MS!

*Obviously women are worse drivers than men though, so just don't give them company cars laugh.gif

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 11:41 AM

QUOTE (primaveranz @ Mar 27 2010, 11:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
*Obviously women are worse drivers than men though, so just don't give them company cars laugh.gif


Not now they have these new parking bays lol

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#26 iceaxe

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 02:09 PM

Ah. I'd missed this thread, but not the pack. I made a few comments on my blog about it.

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 02:16 PM

QUOTE (primaveranz @ Mar 27 2010, 11:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree with kkffoo here that MS needs more female input in all areas.


Why does my mind immediately go to the most juvenile interpretation of that statement?

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 02:17 PM

QUOTE (primaveranz @ Mar 27 2010, 11:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree with kkffoo here that MS needs more female input in all areas.

I realise that the main demographic for computer games is males under 30 (or whatever) but MS isn't a computer game - it is a creative tool and there is no difference between the capabilities of males and females in storytelling or movie-making* (as Hollywood has belatedly just acknowledged). I would not at all be surprised if more females than males have been attracted to MS via the push on Facebook etc. So you really need to get more women on your staff MS!

*Obviously women are worse drivers than men though, so just don't give them company cars laugh.gif


Yes I would like more "romantic" animations added to this pack. That was what I was expecting when I bought it. Those I could use in my movies.

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 02:33 PM

I appreciate what MS is trying to do with this pack but...

It really says something of the mentality that they chose to start with doggie style and skipped foreplay altogether. wink.gif (a little friendly tease... er, joke) Though, honestly, if it had been my decision, I really would have *started* with teasing and caressing and introduced intercourse after measuring the response to that.

It's reassuring though, that they are "listening" and even participating in the discussion with their user base. I think I've seen it mentioned before that dialogue between the staff and consumer is exactly what we need.

WTG, Moviestorm!

#30 Chris Ollis

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 02:50 PM

QUOTE (twilit.tera @ Mar 27 2010, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I appreciate what MS is trying to do with this pack but...

It really says something of the mentality that they chose to start with doggie style and skipped foreplay altogether. wink.gif (a little friendly tease... er, joke) Though, honestly, if it had been my decision, I really would have *started* with teasing and caressing and introduced intercourse after measuring the response to that.


Just to reiterate, this is a fairly quick experiment (hence the low price point) to see what kind of demand there is. It seems that demand is quite high, which is important to know before we put in the effort required to try and capture more sensitive and intertwining complex animations.

We have kissing, cuddling and more conservative bedroom antics in other packs so doing a whole load more of those would not be time effective, but rest assured we've considered all angles and are not intentionally leaving anything out wink.gif

As and when we return to this area, it will be a more wide ranging pack with a bit of seriousness, comedy and no doubt rudeness, as the feedback is pointing us in that direction.

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 02:53 PM

QUOTE (Chris Ollis @ Mar 27 2010, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just to reiterate, this is a fairly quick experiment (hence the low price point) to see what kind of demand there is. It seems that demand is quite high, which is important to know before we put in the effort required to try and capture more sensitive and intertwining complex animations.

We have kissing, cuddling and more conservative bedroom antics in other packs so doing a whole load more of those would not be time effective, but rest assured we've considered all angles and are not intentionally leaving anything out wink.gif

As and when we return to this area, it will be a more wide ranging pack with a bit of seriousness, comedy and no doubt rudeness, as the feedback is pointing us in that direction.

Cheers


Yes but the kissing animations are all standing up except the one lap sitting one. I am thinking more in line with the bed animations that The Movies had. And I have every pack you have made other than the music.


#32 kkffoo

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 03:14 PM

Is it just me finding this whole episode incredibly depressing?

#33 Chris Ollis

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 03:57 PM

QUOTE (kkffoo @ Mar 27 2010, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is it just me finding this whole episode incredibly depressing?

Just wait until you see the first wave of movies made with it biggrin.gif

Have faith, normal service will resume shortly wink.gif
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#34 MefuneAkira

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 04:58 PM

My feedback:

I like the nude skins. - Of course we need it. Bravo MS!

The animation is porn. BJ's, tables and Doggie style - Oh my! There are tons of romantic sex animations that should have came first, but its a test run so meh.

My gripe is the necessity for this After Hours Pack vs the necessity to fix the core issues we MS members/subscribers have been begging for.

I was hoping MS would take the money from our subs and apply it to first fixing shadowing, lighting, morphing and the rest of the known issues the limit us from making the films we really want to make. Its like taking my car to the shop, but all they want to do is sell me new seat covers. Fix the dang car! lol


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Posted 27 March 2010 - 06:36 PM

My dreams came true... personally... a couple of weeks ago, I wanted some costumes like this, and they made it!


I personally am happy.
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Posted 27 March 2010 - 06:41 PM

QUOTE (MefuneAkira @ Mar 27 2010, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My feedback:

I like the nude skins. - Of course we need it. Bravo MS!

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I have to agree with Mef though not so much on the bravo part.

This pack has some uses, especially with the all important 'just right' angle but for the most part there are other things that probably needed fixing more.

I did a kind of 'inventory' and looked through all the romantic interactions I could find. As Tera pointed out, there is a lack of foreplay, but there ARE some things already there in other packs. Cuddling in bed, but only one on top of another, no sleeping cuddled that I could find. Girl sitting in a man's lap, but I couldn't get her to stand back up again, though there was a quick peck of a kiss there. The standard kissing while standing, of course. A few other minor things.

I think the best way to imply a close and intimate relationship while having it safe for one's aging auntie is for the 2 puppets to be cuddled and asleep. As it is, if one has the male fully erect and lying on the bed under the covers, the tip pokes through. Kinda spoils my auntie's mood. smile.gif

#37 Chris Ollis

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 07:29 PM

QUOTE (steelblade @ Mar 27 2010, 06:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As it is, if one has the male fully erect and lying on the bed under the covers, the tip pokes through. Kinda spoils my auntie's mood. smile.gif


We almost had the bedcovers moving for this, but there aren't enough subdivisions in the duvet for it to look right rolleyes.gif
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#38 Roger

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 08:05 PM

Nice to see new pack!

We will be discussing it on the Ken and Roger Show Sunday 28 March TMOA Radio.

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 09:14 PM

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Okay,

I know I'm still sort of a newbie and my opinion doesn't really carries any weigh but I have to speak out about the direction Movie-storm is taking.

As a film maker prior to being introduce to Movie-storm I know what type of packs would be more universal to the movie-storm community . . . and I'm sorry to say . . . AFTER DARK IS NOT IT!!!!

I must say I think this really seems like just a money making ploy on the behalf of the developers . . . I mean who even asked for this pack? I see a lot of people talking about action packs, the ability to have the puppets drive cars, to change puppets appearances, and add children puppets.

I mean is movie-storm . . . even paying attention to their core group. I know there's some ppl here that think of this as a hobby; but I for one am not one of these people.

I am working on a series that is gaining a lot of attention both in my hometown (Jax,FL) and in L.A. California; and we've only released the pilot.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Movie-storm,
stay true to your core . . . real creators using your products to create amazing films.

And I promise you, we will take you and the movie-storm brand - further than a pack of naked puppets could even imagine.

Just me venting,
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Okay, after reading every response on this topic and checking out ICE AXE's blog (u're still my idol - lol) I'm going to conclude my opinion on the so-call AFTER DARK pack.

First let me state up front and clear . . . I AM A HUGE FAN OF MOVIE-STORM (I recommend it to all my fellow filmmakers, and think its potential is limitless).

I also feel that to release such a graphic pack when there's so many other issues users are crying for the developers to fix is really a bad business move.

I mean seriously how many of you have been creating a movie and been like "dang if there was only a way to show her giving him oral sex this will be a masterpiece"?

Now compare that number to the number of users who are saying "wow I wish I could show them eating, or show them really fighting it out, or driving in a automobile, or walking up/down stairs".

Let me state in closing (since I opened this topic)

I am not anti-porn . . . nor am I against the After Dark Pack . . . I just personally believe at this stage when so many (like myself) are doing what we can to help promote MOVIE-STORM this was not the right decision at this time by the developers.

Now all you guys make some great movies using the After Dark pack (I'll be using it for shower scenes), and prove me wrong (wink-wink) in my belief that this will take movie-storm down the road to being used to make senseless pron by less than creative minds.

Oh yeah and by the way . . . I've seen several films on Movie-storm that if extended and distributed worldwide could be an Academy Award winning film. But no porno will ever win an Oscar (I don't care how much intimate lighting you add - lol)

One love you guys . . . and thanks for all your input to my posting.

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#40 supermep

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 10:58 PM

Chris... any chance of getting two puppets to hold hands and walk side by side? There is a lot of call for this animation.

Cheers!


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