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#61 celestina

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Posted 28 March 2010 - 04:11 PM

QUOTE (ubernewbie @ Mar 28 2010, 03:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is this the first MS porn demo?

http://www.tmundergr...storm-Porn-Demo


Can't watch it as I need an account - why wasn't it posted here?

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Posted 28 March 2010 - 04:26 PM

QUOTE (celestina @ Mar 28 2010, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Can't watch it as I need an account - why wasn't it posted here?


Bigger audience than here. broader community.
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#63 zuckerman

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Posted 28 March 2010 - 04:27 PM

QUOTE (Chris Ollis @ Mar 28 2010, 10:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just to shut you people up.... wink.gif the morph tests we have done on getting the ruder body parts moving have obviously been a success, which means I can start creating morphable fat versions of all characters once I've got my plate clear.

Now, which of ye of little faith wants to keep complaining?




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Posted 28 March 2010 - 04:49 PM

QUOTE (Chris Ollis @ Mar 28 2010, 10:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just to shut you people up.... wink.gif the morph tests we have done on getting the ruder body parts moving have obviously been a success, which means I can start creating morphable fat versions of all characters once I've got my plate clear.


This is the point I was trying to make some months ago: porn drives technology.

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Posted 28 March 2010 - 05:06 PM

QUOTE (zuckerman @ Mar 28 2010, 01:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Really, Phil? C'mon. This post comes off as just a tad condescending and a bit hypocritical. You yourself have gotten passionately angry regarding some of the recent content to come out not to mention the general direction MS has appeared to have taken.


It only came off as a tad condescending? Because I meant it as a lot more than that. Just as you and others mean "lowest common denominator" to be insulting.

I'm frankly sick of the continual tirade of negativity from a certain group of users who have zero difficulty in finding something to complain about in EVERY move Moviestorm makes, and the loudest of these are people who either don't actively use the program, or their anti- opinions on Moviestorm Inc. are already calcified. I hadn't gotten the impression that you counted yourself among that clan, yet some of your rhetoric here sounds oh so familiar.

As for the hypocritical bit, Sam, yes... thank you for making public what I shared with you privately in Skype chats, I appreciate that very much.

For future reference: that was me joking sarcastically about something I didn't like. THIS is me being passionately angry.

But I'm glad you brought it up, because it highlights a key difference between my approach and that of some others. When I don't like a content pack, I don't download/use it, I don't blog support of it, and I may joke about it privately with a friend. If I feel strongly enough about it, I voice my opinions to Moviestorm privately. If I feel REALLY strongly about it, I take it to the forums.

Photostorm and the whole Facebook application route w/ Moviestorm isn't something I get any value out of personally, I think it's a waste of time. Maybe it has value for them in terms of getting the name out, but it has absolutely zero utility to me personally as a director. What I DON'T do is publicly tar and feather Moviestorm as a whole, or turn my own dislike into some fatalistic prophecy about how "it's all going down." There's a big difference between expressing an opinion on a pack and casting the organization as some ship in a Bermuda Triangle.

It is THAT I respond to here, and with deliberate condescension, because I do wholeheartedly confess that I LOOK DOWN UPON that method and the people who propogate it. It is a method for artificially inflating the importance of one's own opinion, that method that basically says if they don't listen to me, they're going to fail/die/whatever. It is infuriating. ESPECIALLY when they throw around "lowest common denominator," splashing the insult beyond Moviestorm and implying shame on anyone who supports this pack. Am I returning a bit of that in kind? Damn right I am. I'm sick to death of it.

QUOTE (zuckerman @ Mar 28 2010, 01:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
When you spoke out against Photostorm did you yourself forget to check your premises? Perhaps you we're being a tad too hasty? Maybe you we're simply being an overly entitled, ungrateful little ninny. In short, do you feel that you should have just shut your mouth and say "Thank You Moviestorm, may I have another?" I don't think you do. Perhaps I'm wrong. I thought your various responses to Photostorm were sound and just. I think your voice is important to the future of MS.


Thank you again. I'm sure more than a few people, and Moviestorm themselves, are scratching their heads, this being the first time someone has felt that my personal dislike for Photostorm is worth bringing into the public square, in attempts to call me a hypocrite no less.

I said "check your premises," not as a general maxim, but in a specific context. Let's do this, Sam. Let's get together on this forum one afternoon, and I'll go hunting for posts that ask for nude skins and adult-type content, and you go hunting for posts asking that Moviestorm be more template-driven and easily portable to a Facebook application. And let's see what turns up, shall we? I said to "check your premises" if you think this pack wasn't in response to user demand, because the evidence is here, spackled throughout this forum, even in this very thread and going back for years.

That's the context of "check your premises." I see no evidence here of a demand for Photostorm and the like... but EVEN THEN I didn't try to be all Nostradamus about it. I just told you I didn't like it, we agreed, and we said "What are they thinking?" and "I hope they move beyond that soon" and we made some jokes. I understood it as a therapeutic way to let off some steam without doing harm.

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#66 zuckerman

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Posted 28 March 2010 - 05:25 PM

Phil, I think you're taking the ole "I'm offended that you're offended" approach. Which is quite difficult to cut through. But I will try my best a bit later -- I have to go out.

Flame On!

Ok. Just kidding on the flame bit. But I do wanna clear some things up. Watch This Space.

#67 lucindamc123

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Posted 28 March 2010 - 05:50 PM

As far as people complaining, around here the squeaky wheels get all the attention, their movies get posted on Facebook, they get featured movies and a lot of other things. I really don't see anything wrong with Moviestorm. There are things i would like but until we have them, I have a wide range of other programs I can use to combine with Moviestorm.

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Posted 28 March 2010 - 08:03 PM

QUOTE (grouchobeer @ Mar 28 2010, 08:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is the point I was trying to make some months ago: porn drives technology.

This is a very true statement. The billion dollar porn industry is what pushed to get VHS to home consumers... as well as DVD... Because they could make a ton of money off rentals/purchases of videos of their product.

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Posted 28 March 2010 - 08:31 PM

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The billion dollar porn industry is what pushed to get VHS to home consumers... as well as DVD... Because they could make a ton of money off rentals/purchases of videos of their product.


That's a rather bleak (and unsubstantiated) thing to say. Are you telling me that the only stakeholders in the establishment of DVD were the pornographers?

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Posted 28 March 2010 - 09:06 PM

I've been pretty busy with work, so I haven't had a lot of time for making any progress on either of my two moviestorm projects, and haven't been keeping up with the forums. But this is too interesting a thread to pass up the chance to weigh in. I think this is a great content pack. I have no plans to make animated porn, but I do think serious films can certainly have aspects of adult content (especially nudity) in them without being porn, or even being explicit -- we can use the animations but choose lighting and camera angles that still keep it PG-13 or PG-14. I can even see uses for some of this in comedy.

And, of course, anyone can make explicit content for what ever reason, and restrict it to adult viewing. I don't think there's anything wrong with that in itself, I just don't plan to create any.

Anyway, +1 for this pack. My kids sometimes help me with my moviestorm stuff, so I would need to be careful with this pack for that reason, but I'm very glad to see it available, fwiw.

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Posted 28 March 2010 - 09:37 PM

It's a well known fact of advertising; sex sells.
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Posted 28 March 2010 - 10:05 PM

(Jumping blindly into the fray.)

Well...while this pack isn't so....practical....Maybe if it was used maturely and in artistic ways.....

I mean, if the pack was used in childish way, then it would be a bust....But we are probably gonna see machinima porn here....

But I digress. Children puppets. Would be a VERY nice idea!

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 03:34 AM

QUOTE (iceaxe @ Mar 28 2010, 08:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well that it good news. But why start with genitalia?


I would guess that making a pack to experiment with the morphing tech would be a lot simpler then trying to do it over the whole program. Start small, and if it works then apply what you've learned to the rest of the system.

...or, it could just be that Chris has a preoccupation wink.gif

One common thread I am noticing among the people who are against this pack is the constant referral to it as a "porn" pack.

Are the sexual animations pornographic? Of course. Think about it. Any explicit sexual act is pornographic. So what's the point. Should we as directors be restricted to only conservative portrayals of the act of sex? I don't see why.

It just seems odd to me that the moment sex is put in the mix, some are more focused on the negatives of it instead of what can be done with it. The nude skins are a huge boon. The sexual animations can be used in countless situations without having to be explicit. Not being able to look past the explicit nature of the content just strikes me as narrow-minded.

The "lowest common denominator" argument doesn't have merit IMO. If you're talking about MS just doing this to cash in on a certain demographic, I think that is a factor but not the intent. One thing I've learned over the past year is that MS is really trying to create a large diversity of content. That's why we see packs like Fun Land. This fits into that context. Anyone who follows the Dev blog also knows that MS has a lot of different pokers in the fire, as the saying goes, so it's inaccurate to suggest that they focused on this to the exclusion of all else. Truth be told, with Chris's announcement in this thread, it's safe to say that every major feature we've been ranting about is in the works. Why choose to ignore all this just because sex is involved? It defies logic.

The content was simple to create, gave us a lot of options as directors, even in non-sexual terms, and was also the test bed for something that has been at least #2 on the list of most-demanded features (morphing body shapes).

Sex is natural and a part of all our lives. Let's stop being so puritanical. Sex is not the devil. I see this pack and think about the things I can do with it that are not explicit. Is explicit sex the only thing you see in this pack? The content is only as perverse as you choose to make it. It is also just as versatile and artistically relevant as you choose to make it. It's your choice, and it only depends on how you choose to look at it.

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 04:06 AM

Exactly, it all depends on the maturity of both the user and the viewer. If one is able to both use and view sexual material in an adult way, then it shouldn't be a problem. (Unless some kids get a hold of it. Older teenagers, meh, no big deal.) However, I'm sure some people will misuse this.

Uh, and forgive me for adding oil to the fire, but from my point of view, I'm a more concerned that the positions are more male-dominating-female based. (This is from a feminist point of view.) I dunno, maybe I'm using it wrong....

Also, it's only heterosexually-based. Is that kinda unfair or maybe it's just me.

...Just saying.

But I digress, this packet, when used right, can add more emotion to an appropriate storyline if properly used....Such as this adaption to a novella I've been writing that I've been itching to do.

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 05:04 AM

QUOTE (iceaxe @ Mar 28 2010, 12:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's a rather bleak (and unsubstantiated) thing to say. Are you telling me that the only stakeholders in the establishment of DVD were the pornographers?


I never stated that they were the only group interested in getting these mediums to the public. But they definitely were a on top of it when it became available.

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 06:12 AM

QUOTE (Chris Ollis @ Mar 28 2010, 10:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just to shut you people up.... wink.gif the morph tests we have done on getting the ruder body parts moving have obviously been a success, which means I can start creating morphable fat versions of all characters once I've got my plate clear.

Now, which of ye of little faith wants to keep complaining?


If you guys would simply let us know its "in the works", there wouldn't be anyone to shut up and our "faith" would remain strong.

Just saying. wink.gif

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 07:37 AM

An interesting related thread.

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 07:57 AM

QUOTE (iceaxe @ Mar 29 2010, 07:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
An interesting related thread.


Would the ability to release this pack now have something to do with the change in the subscription policy?

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 09:40 PM

QUOTE (MefuneAkira @ Mar 29 2010, 12:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you guys would simply let us know its "in the works", there wouldn't be anyone to shut up and our "faith" would remain strong.

Just saying. wink.gif



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Posted 29 March 2010 - 10:24 PM

Well, Moviestorm, the bottom line seems to be...

Damned if you do,
Damned if you don't.

So with that in mind, just forge on...

Maybe, 'After Dark 2 - Through A Woman's Eyes' or even 'After Dark 3 - How Fat People Do It'

Just trying to be helpful. wink.gif



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