Moviestorm vs. Poser

[rgann8]

Although Moviestorm isn’t as good as PoserPro, I can’t understand why some praise Poser and refuse to watch a Moviestorm video. On one web site I even posted one of Moviestorm’s best (the girl on the tightrope) and couldn’t get a comment as to what’s wrong with it or did anyone like it.

I posted a documentary made with Moviestorm (no puppets) and it was well received on that web site. The puppet ones are rarely viewed and the comments are mostly, “I should try Maya or Poser.”

I like Moviestorm and the results, but I hate spending months to make a movie that only I could sit through.

The following received high praise on that web site. (I suggest fast forwarding through the first half).

I think one person watched mine and no comment. The second video. (Here it got about 20 views.)

I could be wrong, but I guess it's his animation that makes his worth watching.

Opinions?

http://youtu.be/vsAgDvnsauM

http://www.imdb.com/video/wab/vi966893849/

[lucindamc123]

Poser is a lot of work. I have it but haven't used it much and as far as I know you can only make puppets with it. You know if you can export the puppets made with Poser as obj files you can import them into Milkshape and animate them and have them as animated characters in Moviestorm.

[rgann8]

Poser is a lot of work. I have it but haven't used it much and as far as I know you can only make puppets with it. You know if you can export the puppets made with Poser as obj files you can import them into Milkshape and animate them and have them as animated characters in Moviestorm.

Okay, but as a viewer, it doesn’t matter that much to you, does it?

To others, it seems to matter a great deal. That’s what I don’t understand.

It’s mind boggling to me some people love the animation of Family Guy and think Moviestorm’s animation sucks. I just don’t get it.

Do you think the Poser video I posted is that much superior to mine?

I think his looks a little better but not by much.

[kv]

You are always going to get critics, and also those who are biased to one specific engine that they work with.

Machinima.com has loads of members who despise anything that is not made in a game like Halo, there are also those who think visuals are much more important than a story.

You can`t please everyone.

[lucindamc123]

rgann, it looked good but a bit cartoony - The poser video I mean and also what other programs did the filmamaker use? No I did not like it better than yours at all. I know a lot of pro film makers and they all like the Moviestorm work. And you are right about Family Guy and other 2d animated programs. Whenever I see them, I think, they would look so much better if they were made with Moviestorm. That is true of Archer too. I can't understand why people do 2d animated programs and movies anymore.

[rgann8]

rgann, it looked good but a bit cartoony - The poser video I mean and also what other programs did the filmamaker use? No I did not like it better than yours at all. I know a lot of pro film makers and they all like the Moviestorm work. And you are right about Family Guy and other 2d animated programs. Whenever I see them, I think, they would look so much better if they were made with Moviestorm. That is true of Archer too. I can't understand why people do 2d animated programs and movies anymore.

Thanks for your comments.

Are you aware of any movies made entirely with Moviestorm that are posted someplace else and are liked by a number of viewers?

[lucindamc123]

Death in Venice by Sherwinliu had over 5700 views on You Tube which is a lot of views. Just Google, Moviestorm in quotes and then choose videos and you will see all of them that have been well received. Oh just reading up on Poser Pro 12 and it costs $499.00 and you can only created animated characters. You can't create sets or props with it. However, you can export as a Maya obj file and that can be imported into Milkshape for animation and that can be exported to Moviestorm to create animated characters. But they are probably very hi poly too.

[PapaG]

Thanks for your comments.

Are you aware of any movies made entirely with Moviestorm that are posted someplace else and are liked by a number of viewers?

OnThis site i got alot of comments
http://www.moviestorm.co.uk/community/inde...p;vid_id=106689
on youtube not as menny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us-zVDE2qm0
non the less this movie was made 100% movestorm! only used an external editor to peice it togerter

[lucindamc123]

Here is one of mine on You Tube that got almost 5000 views and lots of comments

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O18kFdJQ_dQ

[corthew]

Am I too late for the pissing contest?

Unfortunately I don't have any high views of videos made in Moviestorm yet but here's one I did awhile ago to honour Patrick Swayze:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBPYABCpQpA

It has over 40,000 views but I suspect its the title that did it.

[Cybrosia]

I can't understand why people do 2d animated programs and movies anymore.

Because for them, it is the art and the form of expression they love. Personally, I have yet to see a 3D animated film that has the warm beauty of "Bambi" or "Fantasia" or "Snow White" or "Sleeping Beauty" or "Lady and the Tramp" or... well, I could go on, but I'll stop there. To each artist speaks a different muse. I shall not question that very private discussion. Take care, be well, keep flying.

crusoe

[corthew]

I have yet to see a 3D animated film that has the warm beauty of "Bambi" or "Fantasia" or "Snow White" or "Sleeping Beauty" or "Lady and the Tramp" or...

"Heavy Metal", "The Last Unicorn", "Valley of the Wind", "Lightyears" aka "Gandahar"...

To each artist speaks a different muse.

Well said.

But have you watched the "Lord of the Rings" movies?

A large portion of it is 3d animation.

I would also mention Avatar although I was a bit let down by it. That was the fault of the director though who allowed the messaged to seem pushy.

"Finding Nemo"? If you haven't seen this 3d animated movie you've missed something wonderful.

"Toy Story", The moment when Buzz discovers that he can't really fly is deeply moving.

There are so many wonderful 3d animated movies and shorts.

But if you are focusing on the art medium used you're going to completely overlook the beauty captured within it.

Moviestorm is just a tool for an artist.
Its strength is in that it relieves alot of the burden of waiting to see his vision blossom.

[kkffoo]

I think there's a certain mindset which I define as 'render snobbery', the same kind of mindset which would say 'any film made in black and white can't be any good'.
Also, there are a lot of people who see watching film as more to do with belonging to a group and sharing a group opinion than about enjoying the story.
You need encouragement along the way and battling with render snobs is depressing...and are they the people you really want to like your movie?

Your film has some issues rgann8, but these are things that can be improved, whereas the santa movie is as polished as it is going to get.

I hope you stick around and try again. Number of views is not necessarily a good arbiter of quality. I'd like to see what you could make with more practice, but I am a lot less interested in what the director of the santa movie is likely to make (though it would probably appeal to young men / boys?)

[Ben_S]

Strangecompany did a substantially moviestorm rendition of Byron's 'When we two parted' which got a reasonable number of views on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkXz6fPpo0I
As would be expected, there is a mix of positive and negative comments.

[lucindamc123]

I agree with you KKffoo. Also You Tube views have gone down considerably since they started promoting movie studios, TV stations and other pros work on the site. It was different when it was all movies made by independent film makers and other people. I don't even bother to upload to You Tube anymore.. I share my movies on Facebook and also share them on other video sites where they allow me to just put a link to my Moviestorm movie instead of uploading the movie. That is when I have the time to do this.

Here is one by David Zuluago Thetruedjz that was uploaded to You Tube 8 months ago and is one of his first movies and has over 13,000 views

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheTrueDJZ#p/u/19/MArq4iSGbGc

[Cybrosia]

But if you are focusing on the art medium used you're going to completely overlook the beauty captured within it.

I could not agree with you more, corthew. That was partially the point of my response or defense of the continued use of 2d. It is not the tools used for expression, but that expressed by the artist through the tools. Which is why so many still use 2d to express themselves. Personally, I would be lost without my 3d tools, but I still admire and love the beauty of 2d animation and fervently hope 3d never eliminates it.

crusoe

[spenayoung]

Hola Everyone,

I've been working in new media for about a decade now, but am pretty new to moviestorm and animation. However, I'm a music professor and one of the main issues that I find with any indie animation is the low quality of the sound. Story lines can be fantastic, but the soundtrack needs to be stellar for higher quality production.

Viewers are much more forgiving of sketchy animation (like Family Guy) if the sound is spot-on. On the other hand, if a track is scratchy, the vocals clearly amateur (with distortion, breathing, external sounds, etc.) then the quality of the film drops significantly. I haven't checked out all of the links mentioned here, but I have noticed that overall, Moviestorm/Poser animation seems to work best with music videos, and I believe that is less a difference in the quality of the animation, but the quality of the sound.

My suggestion, regardless of the animation software used (I use Moviestorm, Poser, Bryce, Photoshop, and Final Cut), is to research sound, take a course or two in audio, and buy some decent mics.

Here's a nerdy essay on sound that I thought would be helpful: http://lavender.fortunecity.com/hawkslane/...ory-of-film.htm


Sabrina

[kkffoo]

Got to agree, sound is so important, and probably half the impression anyone makes when viewing a piece of animation depends on it.

@Sabrina, I got a warning from my security software when I tried to access your link (most likely if the document is stored on a download site then the warning relates to other people's items which have been downloaded) Do you have another copy anywhere?

[lucindamc123]

Spenayoung, I use Adobe Audtion which is wonderful. There are a lot of things you can do to correct sound and when you use outside actors for voice overs there are some that are not good recordings. With Adobe Audition I have rescued some really bad voice overs. Adobe Audition only costs $209.00 and it is well worth it. Here is a link to their site. Adobe also offers a lot of special deals and trial periods with their software.


http://success.adobe.com/en/na/sem/product...|S|b|7330761802

[Harb40]

Poser, just like DAZ and iClone, require a lot of work to make something good and have long render times compared to Moviestorm. Although the graphics look better with the other programs, Moviestorm does have a bit more flexibility. Moviestorm is still a ways off from being a great animation program but is getting there.

As far as getting views and comments, like the others have said, certain places don't like anything other than game machinima while other sites are still lagging in 2D/3D community support. There are some places that you can get views and comments but it is hit and miss. Places like Vimeo (which also has animation channels) and TMUnderground (which caters to all forms of machinima [The Sims, iClone, Poser, DAZ, The Movies, Moviestorm, Crazy Talk Animator and more] and some live action).

Getting views and reactions is a problem we have faced for a long time and eventually will gain recognition. Some contests, festivals and competitions are starting to recognize machinima/animation more and more. The 48 Hour Film Festival is working to get the top films in the animation category screened at Cannes.

As long as we, the machinima/animation communtiy pull together, help each other, and, with the help of the software developers, put out higher quality productions, we eventually will gain acceptance and start seeing more views and comments.